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I intend to plant as many food forest plants in and around my yard as possible. I may not see any personal benefit, as I may not be living in this exact location as I age, but right now all I can do is garden and reduce my own expenses.

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This is excellent Nate! I've been following your work since The Oil Drum days, and it has been very interesting indeed to track your journey from a distance.

Your proposed 5th Law of thermodynamics is indeed very interesting, but be aware that HT Odum had also proposed a 5th and a 6th law of thermodynamics. His fifth law is a law of energy hierarchy: "All the energy transformations known can be connected in a series network according to the quantity of one kind of energy required for the next." (Environment, Power, and Society for the Twenty-First Century, p. 65)

This is essentially about energy quality, and the concept of energy transformations. "Available energy decreases through each transformation, but the energy quality increases, with increased ability to reinforce energy interactions upscale and downscale." (ibid, p. 63).

Where your 5th Law meets with Odum's 5th law might be in my own similar idea: as gross quantity of fossil fuel energy goes into decline, can we take this opportunity to increase high quality subtle energy in our bodies and our personal relations - what those in the east would call "qi" or "prana"? As you say, to throttle the quantity of gross fossil fuel energy, but attaining very tangible states of vitality and satisfaction through cultivation of higher quality subtle energy, via practices such as qigong, Tai Chi', yoga, etc.

We also need to embrace a broader definition of "Power," but that is another topic.

FYI, my presentation discussing the influence of HT Odum's insights about energy and power on David Holmgren's development of Permaculture principles is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgCzKGCbrw

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