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Donald Newton's avatar

Nate thank you! for all you bring to the table. My wife Lani put me on to your Podcasts and I’ve been a fan ever since and have listened to nearly all your content. Finally a person who is talking about the things that need to be talked about.

Thanks bud.

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Mark Roller's avatar

During the round table discussion, Nate asks how can we get people to care about species loss, and to recognize our genetic relatedness to all life. One of the other guests throws out the number 80%, claiming that this proportion of the population does care. He goes on to say if that if asked to give up anything in order to address the damage we are doing, then this same 80% backs off. I think this is the wrong approach, the wrong question. Whether people care or not, whether they are willing to make some sacrifices, our entire way of life in all its details perpetuates the crisis and at the same time alienates us from the biosphere consequences of that way of life. So that caring or not caring is simply an abstract question of personal preference, while our dependence on modernity and all the “mod cons” is a very concrete question of survival. Until we as a species finds new ways of living in which awareness of our absolute dependence on healthy webs of life is built into the ways in which we transform elements of the non-human world into, so to speak, our embodied selves, this alienation will not go away. I think the only way to do this is to return to pre-modern norms in which much of the population is directly engaged in the production of food, shelter, clothing, etc, then the vital connection to a healthy biosphere will be visceral, a daily question of survival, and flourishing. So, for me, the real question is how do we get there?

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