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Thanks Nate, Lizzy and contributing questioners. I enjoyed this episode and would certainly welcome another Q&A.

I'm curious whether you'd consider having a conversation with a genuine "energy blind" expert to perhaps do some of the blindspot detection that was alluded to during the Q&A. I live within a petro/resource-rich area in Canada where employment incentivizes energy blindness, where often systems models and talk about externalities are automatically dismissed out-of-hand (typically using rhetoric that points out that maps don't perfectly match the territory). I'm never quite sure how to bridge that gap. How do you gently draw people out of their blindness for a glimpse at the sun, instead of the shadows on Plato's cave walls?

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